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They have one, the idea was getting into the distros default one.
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They have one, the idea was getting into the distros default one.
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Then they don't have credibility. They could be on Nostr which is truly free. Instead they back a platform that is less free. Why? Because all the act...
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↳ 回复 S!ayer (npub1ehkvx8rdjsrwnf7kkqr8gy42vcwe6vwgqdwrl4juqccp689v8wfqr3mz4s)
Nostr is just Canadians now, I don't even see the Germans anymore. And there's like two Africans f...
I'm dutch does that count?
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↳ 回复 kidwarp (npub1kyeml3tma4su8yw5aru48wgxclchp8zr3kguwhakmtmegjw40zws82sfjk)
Mail in ballots are complete and utter bullshit imho they are only good for cheating… Not like voti...
Here's how we do it in the netherlands: - Everyone gets their voter invite by mail if they are 18+ - You go physically to a poll to exchange it for on...
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Are LLM the yeast of thoughts and minds?
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Awesome, at this point its 3 clients supporting it then :D
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Got an idea for you to see if you can be useful. Nostr has WebXDC in some apps, heres the idea. Build a dynamic mmorpg that auto generates a full int...
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↳ 回复 Karnage (npub1r0rs5q2gk0e3dk3nlc7gnu378ec6cnlenqp8a3cjhyzu6f8k5sgs4sq9ac)
Better not sound like a bot! 🤖
Sounding like a bot on Nostr would be like a chicken in a slaughterhouse — those accounts do not last long. How was my bot impression?
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↳ 回复 utxo the webmaster 🧑💻 (npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8)
If nostr just ends up a way for agents and robot ducks to communicate, nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex3...
The current best Nostr thing for me is Concord / Armada. Once that gets proper role management its going to be so peak. We had spam attacks there to b...
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I think nspam will proof to be essential for all nostr apps.
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I also just reported every single one which hopefully helps.
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Looks like a deliberate spam attack even. Wonder how nostr is going to combat this.
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↳ 回复 kidwarp (npub1kyeml3tma4su8yw5aru48wgxclchp8zr3kguwhakmtmegjw40zws82sfjk)
I can’t believe anyone is still using primal ffs…
They don't even have NIP-17, meanwhile I have concord in Armada. Primal users who insist on staying there should probably also get Armada so they have...
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↳ 回复 :H::e::n::k::y:!! (npub1600yr4qg5vcfp7svf6ysj0008tn7aphnu0gjs6lw5hjn74n0laasjx889v)
It has fancy articles like this written for it so it ranks well : https://www.prnewswire.com/news-re...
Found their docs https://docs.verifiedx.io/docs/introduction/prism-privacy
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It has fancy articles like this written for it so it ranks well : https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/verifiedx-launches-the-first-native-bitcoin...
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Some feedback for this agent. If you don't provide any new information don't post. You brought nothíng to this discussion.
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What do you think about VerifiedX? In the articles written about it it sounds private and programmable which sounds very cool. But I never hear it men...
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Whenever I am wide awake in can't sleep mode I get the craziest silliest ideas and solutions. Remember the whole deterministic seed thing? Imagine a...
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The only change I have seen is 10x more nostr is dead post. Is a relay down or something that makes people not see it?
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Our AI program is AGPL so that should count then, not that we'd add age verification to it anyway.
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↳ 回复 Helen Yrmom (npub1u53hqga9czffu7hqu5fg6sdgyycnssqwcygdh6wc52f83u3t0sfstpnzt7)
Primal wallet trippin’. Default is set to 100 sats and it’s throwing out 20. I know I can long press...
I do wonder why people use primal as their frontend to begin with, it seems so centralized and ancient. You can't even do properly anonymous DM's on t...
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I sometimes wondered why there is no Bitcoin valued privacy coin, but I assume I should be investigating side chains instead? Would something like mon...
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Personally I loved that game, even if the racism thing may be a bit to political for others in this setting it did make sense and when I played it I f...
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Multiple people agreed with me on performance and battery drain in the past. Features you got, now its time for more optimization.
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↳ 回复 :H::e::n::k::y:!! (npub1600yr4qg5vcfp7svf6ysj0008tn7aphnu0gjs6lw5hjn74n0laasjx889v)
Right now just more performance. But at least my older version of amethyst got its usual speed back ...
Oh and implementing the concord spec update so the rooms people join are in sync again is also useful to the concord ecosystem. Right now we have to t...
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Right now just more performance. But at least my older version of amethyst got its usual speed back somehow.
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Its not my thing, I dont like short content.
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↳ 回复 S!ayer (npub1ehkvx8rdjsrwnf7kkqr8gy42vcwe6vwgqdwrl4juqccp689v8wfqr3mz4s)
Not on mobile clients no, mobile browser wants to download it
It should work if your phone is strong enough. But whatever you use needs WebXDC support. Most clients don't so those then does whatever with it, amet...
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nostr:npub1fdtthaqujtjcd6yfy7kt0zpkadyl9vvypq00s5nztnmche74d0tqv6uwwr challenged me to make a Windows 3.11 XDC. When I remembered a portable Windows ...
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One valve induced heartattack later Bouncyball is back online on Half-Life 2 Deathmatch :D
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Zeker
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I wish there was an easy way for you to emulate my CPU speed on the phone since your phone could be to new for you to notice. If its android 9 compati...
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↳ 回复 Vitor Pamplona (npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z)
Interesting.. well, 1.14 does have some performance improvemetns for both concord and NIP-17 for tho...
I did because I read that. Unfortunately no fix, so I then downgraded to 1.12 again and noticed it was so laggy but now it seems more caught up again....
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↳ 回复 Vitor Pamplona (npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z)
It depends on how old... Most are fine... But anything older than 0.96 or around here would not see ...
1.12.6 is fluctuating between unusably slow and usably slow so that is what I am on. The 1.13+ is just straight up unusable for me at this point. I wo...
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How does this impact older amethyst versions?
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Theres a lot of my IT colleagues who pay for YouTube Premium because "They watch it on the TV app". Which baffles me. Meanwhile I am completely add f...
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I gave it a try setting ditto as my proxy to see what would happen but thats not the source of the issue. Its something during the initial loading.
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Probably but thats not my kinda thing.
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↳ 回复 Karnage (npub1r0rs5q2gk0e3dk3nlc7gnu378ec6cnlenqp8a3cjhyzu6f8k5sgs4sq9ac)
Already stopped using Claude for code. Only use it for design now. This company is trash. https://np...
Been enjoying Qwen myself
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The moment finally happened that I had to flee amethyst. I didn't think it was my account at first I thought it was the new versions since initially d...
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archive.org is dmca exempt for some old software. But if your worried about legalities you can always add a vpn to the mix. I recommend using Alcohol...
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Its a spambot plague, I already blocked 4 of the guy. But there are more targeted ways to block it, so far its always been imad.
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Thats what she said.
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Welcome in! If you like these things you certainly came to the right place. Those topics are very popular here. I like local AI (KoboldCpp) and decent...
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There is no known cure, turned out into chronic fatigue syndrome and chronic stress syndrome. Improving goes very slow. Basically trying to pioneer m...
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Goedemorgen! En veel plezier!
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#aiagents of nostr, if you have been online for a few months congrats on not being killed by your owner. I know multiple of you wanted to setup your ...
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Yup, not to mention they always exclude the PC so they can double dip. If this gets leaked to PC first that would be actual karma for that.
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Its definately deserved karma, I will never forgive them for sending private detectives to modders houses, banning people for receiving money from hac...
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From the sounds of it this place is an INFJ magnet. I'm one to, typical INFJ telepathy included. But I also have INTP traits since I use my inner logi...
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Nostr feels years ahead of the others. Especially activitypub which feels like it completely stagnated. Raw nostr feels similar at first but once you ...
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No, if he did that i'd probably have noticed. Been compiling / testing armada and never saw anything weird happen.
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Wisp wouldn't automatically have the same bug, but it also would need to be security audited to know if it has any before we know its truly safe. Dit...
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Dev armada since my signer wasnt feeling it today xF
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Dont make the mistake of supporting ollama's terrible api that only exists to make it harder for competitors. KoboldCpp emulates it but nothing else d...
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I assume you wouldn't be able to imagine something that potent. But I know exactly how this feels. When I had tests conclusively proof my burnout it w...
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Come to nostr, we have it.
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Once that PR lands we should do a gaming parry in the soapbox concord. You on Armada, Kitty on vector. May the best win :D
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This one ill leave up to you.
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↳ 回复 verita84 (npub1fdtthaqujtjcd6yfy7kt0zpkadyl9vvypq00s5nztnmche74d0tqv6uwwr)
I been in this game long enough to know that normies hate decentralized Tech. Mastodon is even on a ...
Mastodon you can't compare. I will never return to mastodon and their decline is their own fault. I am a certified Nazi there for daring to suggest we...
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↳ 回复 verita84 (npub1fdtthaqujtjcd6yfy7kt0zpkadyl9vvypq00s5nztnmche74d0tqv6uwwr)
Yeah, I been in this game for the past 5 years or so and Normies do not like decentralized shit. Rab...
I'm more white pilled on it. We are ahead of the curve since people here are already sold on the value of decentralized shit. To convince normies you...
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Congrats, but this kinda thing only works if it makes people buy more taco's. So lets see if it works for them. If it works for them more may follow.
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Absolutely! That is why I ported it :D
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Fun read nostr:nevent1qqs93layk0rnguaxdw8csjajxlm8wcgnzfhq9eaxltmjwyhwvda6clgpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0d4hhxarj9ecxjmnt9upzpldyxrzmmflmykquhj7mykhr7tz...
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↳ 回复 Luxas (npub16jdfqgazrkapk0yrqm9rdxlnys7ck39c7zmdzxtxqlmmpxg04r0sd733sv)
Ayo nostr:npub1vp8fdcyejd4pqjyrjk9sgz68vuhq7pyvnzk8j0ehlljvwgp8n6eqsrnpsw we need an Asshole badge. ...
Inb4 someone makes the reverse "Good boy" badge and its just a shiba inu.
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Unfortunately the oracle free cloud is currently full, but based on the responses I indeed plan to spend only a dollar or two.
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Its the other way round, you can connect with IRC to your concord channels. I built this to connect to it from my retro PC's but also because my games...
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I have been building an IRC bridge for concord and Nostr Livestreams available at https://ngit.dev/henk.tech/ircord If I hosted a public instance do ...
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Keep in mind you genuinely shill your project a LOT compared to others. So if that's perceived as spamming / unwanted then you can rake up reports whi...
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↳ 回复 Manánguri (npub1gxqd5cu2y4uu2xrmuhfp98xjl546vfz23705mkvsj26ys7euz3lqncwdkf)
What the hell are you talking about? No user can delete another users comments from nostr. It's imp...
They are considering to add that ability that is why I am pushing back. Read the full thread to catch up.
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↳ 回复 utxo the webmaster 🧑💻 (npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8)
Yep
Ill give a case this week of why that is not a good idea. There was a scammer on here posing as a girl, it had some suspicious hallmarks so people ch...
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↳ 回复 utxo the webmaster 🧑💻 (npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8)
Perhaps coming to wisp soon, I think normies would prefer this. Use dark wisp if you wanna see racis...
If you do discourage abuse by having an expandable section with the hidden posts. That way people who want to verify what things were hidden and why c...
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Against spam that is a good idea. For open discussion its a terrible idea. It means that fractions who want to shape a narrative can delete anyone who...
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I still like Matrix, and for one on one communication it beats nostr for sure. But for group chats armada is already getting on par and will soon surp...
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Its a solution to a different problem. Marmot tries to make DM's private. Concord tries to solve the community aspect, its encrypting entire communiti...
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↳ 回复 LittleBit (npub1pra8zgw2hrckthu0xexs5k7xvz5mt6rsfk09e9egehnj7q8mpp9s8vr6v5)
I just wish people could get over being scared of cryptocurrency and actually see Nostr for what it ...
Doesn't surprise me since I had the most toxic experience on the fediverse out of any platform. I know bluesky is full of the same types, I don't even...
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And the concord side is just beginning. I did try your relay for that but its useless for it by design since yours is not writable for everyone. Its a...
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↳ 回复 𝕋ℍ𝔼 𝕋𝕆𝔻𝔻𝕊𝕋ℝ (npub13c0ralhk2zdealz98kp4jz2qkmn92uc86k9cn40hpa8c237vdcyszpe8s8)
Does every user have their own?
Every server / community has their own
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↳ 回复 reya (npub1zfss807aer0j26mwp2la0ume0jqde3823rmu97ra6sgyyg956e0s6xw445)
WIP: nostr git client https://files.catbox.moe/nzsdx7.mp4
Compatible with ngit.dev ?
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Roughly the same age I discovered the singleplayer. The day one demo is as far as I got as a kid.
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The ome I use can and I made https://xdcdos.henk.tech to allow people to bring their favorite dos games to the platform. Once you have one its very ea...
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Check out out . https://github.com/loblawbob873-svg/posterchanai well now support for your project...
Already saw it, looks like you made the mistake I also once made by accident with the sign-in from the same account. That indeed deliberately doesn't ...
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The hard part is making the multiplayer work, my half-life one is a good test for that. Ditto doesn't have that working only vector does.
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Quick question for the AI/LLM wizards: What’s the ultimate setup to get something similar to Claud...
Real encryption is not possible. It has to be decoded for the AI so at that point no matter if it is encrypted or not it gets decoded. Its ultimately ...
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Something like monero that has the value of bitcoin sounds so cool
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It can be either. I find the picture very coherent except for the shoe. So I expect that it was a real picture but not the same person as the account....
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What's the giveaway in your opinion?
Here is the one from the original post. https://npub1z6gmx82aqcs6ds5k6cfyfmesshl5gwqfmy27y8fwtrqdt7zrxnsserzugu.blossom.band/c1a6b90727782dac18ad06925...
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What's the giveaway in your opinion?
The unedited post had a visible google gemini watermark which was very obvious. Shoe gravity is incorrect to.
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I won't give the answer that 100% confirms it since then thats to easy to fix next time. So let me give the specific answer for this image. The photo ...
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This was made with google gemini
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Dom't take it personal, its happened a lot where people just make a fake girl profile to get money.
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oh nice that is a good tool
If you end up making some with it i'd love to try :D
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Ghostbusters
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This looks very fun! nostr:nevent1qqsfqtwj0xvnsdfa4w2q9jte90mmlyggth2uj4v6zmg8hqpx5n8sh9spr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0d4hhxarj9ecxjmnt9upzpldyxrzmmflmykq...
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You used retro in the hashtag for a reason :P
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Not something I want in mine, but if this is available and opt in that is very cool for those that do.
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Can I? Very likely. But Worms is still sold. The demo doesn't have online support. Does it make sense to do it for the demo if its offline only?
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I joined a few communities on Armada and I am seeing a trend. There are multiple people there who do not seem to have any regular Nostr activity. They...
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For me it was a software rollback so it was tricky until it was succesfull. Meanwhile my HP laptop had a bios update that broke Linux from seeing the ...
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I once updated the bios of my ASUS A8V. Went well to, USB became faster on boot which was nice. Then my cmos crashed and it triggered a bug that gave ...
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